What would you change for next season?

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Permalink Reply by danny stanton on September 12, 2011 at 19:09

Hi Dave just a couple of suggestions firstly, a few people have mentioned the fact that if you have the luxury of being able to play both days at the weekend you chances of POTY points are increased so your suggestion that only one set of points are selected for POTY which the players decide before they start playing on the saturday or sunday  which they can do by signing next to the competition book that they would like to have this score taken for POTY and also marking it on there scorecard before they tee off and by doing so giving those who play only once a week a chance is i think a good idea and would be seen as a good move, it's not stopping people playing to get themselves into stapleford or medal finals but just giving people the chance to get there name on the wall of fame, secondly the same can be done for the magic two's. The only other thing is the time taken between when the drummond is played and the masters rounds there does'nt seem to be any timescale as to when this should be played hope that you find this of some interest and that it might start some response cheers (danny the german)

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Permalink Reply by Dave Berkoff (Captain) on September 14, 2011 at 8:07

Danny, thank you for these suggestions.

I personally like the idea of the POTY only being allowed to be allocated on a saturday or sunday (players choice) but would also propose that the Tankard has same point allocation as the Stableford and Medal comps.

If we do this for POTY, then it seems logical we do the same for the The Magic Two's comp as well.

Re the Drummond Comp and Master; We will be working on the fixture list for season 2012-13 in the next few weeks and will look at the feasibility of doing this then.

Point of Interest: The committee can make Competition Rule changes through a voting procedure at there monthly meetings prior to the start of any season. Once the Committee has agreed any Competition Rules changes; The members will be notified. And No other changes can be made once the season has started.

All your views will be discussed at these meetings. Thanks again Dave B

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Permalink Reply by Crispin Roche on September 15, 2011 at 8:47

just  to add my twopenny worth. letting players indicate which day they want to use for their PoY has a major problem: how do you stop people indicating afterw their round that they wish to use that days round for PoY? 

 I can see where Danny is coming from re the Magic 2s but I think he misses a significant point.  Players currently get Magic 2s for all club strokeplay competitions, except perhaps the midweek stablefords, but many players  elect not play in Tankards so on that basis there is no basis of complaint that players playing both Saturday and Sunday are advantaged.

On the matter of Tankards and PoY points the monthly Medals and monthly Stablefords are the "major"  weekend competitions (as is the case in nearly every golf club arounf the country) so to start giving PoY points to Tankards on the same basis is IMO denigrating the significance of the Medals and Stablefords.  If you wish to give PoY points for performances inTankard competitions then award them on the basis of the final tankard league poistions.

Fixtures, this year there has been a trend, an unwitting trend I think, to favour those players playing on Saturdays as on several occassions the saturday comps played on a "Major" weekend have been designated Satbleford competitions rather than Tankards.  The fixtures should be arranged such that the first full weekend of a month is the Monthly Medal weekend and the 3rd weekend the Monthly Stableford weekend with possibly an extra Medal or Stableford if there are 5 full weekends in a month.  All the other "free" saturdays and sundays should be Tankards.

 

Trent park Masters, there should be, and certainly where when the competition was originally set up, play by dates like every other KO.  Also i think we should give PoY points for the Trent Park Masters.  I know the arguements about such point allocations being unfair as they are limited to a small group of club players but this weekend we had the situation where a player condeeded his TP Masters match in order to try and get some PoY points in the Medal.  So apparently our scratch KO competition is not as important as our monthly Medal competitions.

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Permalink Reply by Dave Berkoff (Captain) on September 15, 2011 at 16:56

Thank you Crispin.

Re players marking the entry book, with say a late entry, (or if we have the new POTY points system) after they have played the round was a problem until Nero took a picture of the book on his mobile at the end or during of a saturday and sunday competition.... not a lot of people new that!

 

Thank you for your other points Crispin, these can now be discussed at our next meeting.

Dave B

 

Crispin Roche said:

just  to add my twopenny worth. letting players indicate which day they want to use for their PoY has a major problem: how do you stop people indicating afterw their round that they wish to use that days round for PoY? 

 I can see where Danny is coming from re the Magic 2s but I think he misses a significant point.  Players currently get Magic 2s for all club strokeplay competitions, except perhaps the midweek stablefords, but many players  elect not play in Tankards so on that basis there is no basis of complaint that players playing both Saturday and Sunday are advantaged.

On the matter of Tankards and PoY points the monthly Medals and monthly Stablefords are the "major"  weekend competitions (as is the case in nearly every golf club arounf the country) so to start giving PoY points to Tankards on the same basis is IMO denigrating the significance of the Medals and Stablefords.  If you wish to give PoY points for performances inTankard competitions then award them on the basis of the final tankard league poistions.

Fixtures, this year there has been a trend, an unwitting trend I think, to favour those players playing on Saturdays as on several occassions the saturday comps played on a "Major" weekend have been designated Satbleford competitions rather than Tankards.  The fixtures should be arranged such that the first full weekend of a month is the Monthly Medal weekend and the 3rd weekend the Monthly Stableford weekend with possibly an extra Medal or Stableford if there are 5 full weekends in a month.  All the other "free" saturdays and sundays should be Tankards.

 

Trent park Masters, there should be, and certainly where when the competition was originally set up, play by dates like every other KO.  Also i think we should give PoY points for the Trent Park Masters.  I know the arguements about such point allocations being unfair as they are limited to a small group of club players but this weekend we had the situation where a player condeeded his TP Masters match in order to try and get some PoY points in the Medal.  So apparently our scratch KO competition is not as important as our monthly Medal competitions.

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Permalink Reply by DAVID OWEN on September 15, 2011 at 20:18

Hi chaps, what about having a cap on the maximum points that a person can win for each weekend, say 12 or 15 points. So, say you win 10 points on the saturday, you still have the incentive to play on the sunday to get another 2 or 5 points, instead of winning on the saturday and not being able to win anymore points for the sunday. If you have to pick your day and you pick the saturday and you think you will win 10 points after a good score, you might not play on the sunday, as there are no other points to play for. Also possible less takings on green fees. I do agree it is not fair as it is, as not everyone can play both days, but i do feel you must have both days qualifying for poty points!  At the moment you can win a possible 20 points per weekend so to bring it down to 12 points i think is fair, for those who can not play both days and those that can.

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Permalink Reply by Dave Berkoff (Captain) on September 15, 2011 at 20:57

Thanks Dave, but not sure the saturday results can be calculated that quickly in order to let all competitors know how many points they got. 

 

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Permalink Reply by DAVID OWEN on September 16, 2011 at 18:20

The results dont have to be done quickly, im just giving an example of mind set. Just thinking of extra incentive to play both days of the weekend, but still making it fair. The other way, where you have to pick a day say saturday and you score 30 points then you play sunday and score 40 points which wouldnt count, it would be frustrating to say the least, especially if you keep picking the wrong day. Im only suggesting that a player can only win 12 points total for the weekend.

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Permalink Reply by Crispin Roche on September 16, 2011 at 19:31

changing the maximum points that can won on a weekend doesn't resolve the underlying percieved unfairness of some players being able to play on both weekend days unless you are proposing that the maximum points that can be won on a weekend is 12 and its just tough if you happen to win both Saturday's and Sunday's comps.  That system would also be v difficukt to administer.  A better way, which still incentivise players to play on both days is to use the best individual score acheived by a player on the weekend.

Of course that doesn't solve the other issue of players playing for PoTY points on both weekend days, namely the Fanning problem.

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Permalink Reply by Dave Berkoff (Captain) on September 16, 2011 at 20:06

Dave / Crispin, I think we're getting closer to a solution here with "allowing players to enter their best individual score over the weekend". And it takes Dave's point of giving an incentive players to play both days. Good thinking, thank you. Let's see if we have any objections to why not.

Crispin Roche said:

changing the maximum points that can won on a weekend doesn't resolve the underlying percieved unfairness of some players being able to play on both weekend days unless you are proposing that the maximum points that can be won on a weekend is 12 and its just tough if you happen to win both Saturday's and Sunday's comps.  That system would also be v difficukt to administer.  A better way, which still incentivise players to play on both days is to use the best individual score acheived by a player on the weekend.

Of course that doesn't solve the other issue of players playing for PoTY points on both weekend days, namely the Fanning problem.

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Permalink Reply by DAVID OWEN on September 16, 2011 at 20:18

Yes, the maximum points a player can win over the weekend, saturday and sunday combined is 12 points total, so if you happen to win on saturday you win 10 points. If you win on the sunday as well you only win 2 points.  The same player who won on the sunday will take 1st place position, but will not get 10 points, they will get 2 points. Then second place will get 7 points, 3rd 6 points etc. What i am trying to say is that you have the incentive to play both days without it being unfair, apart from 2 points.

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Permalink Reply by Dave Berkoff (Captain) on September 16, 2011 at 20:44

Fair enough. So, if a player wins a saturday and sunday Medal or Stableford, over the same weekend (which I doubt will or has happened very often) that player receives 2 bonus points. Why not?

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Permalink Reply by DAVID OWEN on September 16, 2011 at 21:21

Another example is if you win 7 points on the saturday  and say 6 points on sunday, which is 13 points total, the 6 points will change to 5 points to make a total of 12 points for that weekend.

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